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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:37 pm 
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I mean, why? Surely he doesn't need the money. Wasn't part of he nature of his music that he wrote and sung about people and ideas, not things? He makes a two minute-commercial for the Super Bowl, and its' all about "America". Does he think he's doing something for his country? Does he not think his contribution to music has been enough? The whole thing makes no sense.

"Is there anything more American than America?," he asks in a voiceover that begins the ad. Huh? He would have discarded that cliched line before he even thought of it if he were writing a song. Very disappointing. Some 12 year-old sees that, and his first impression of Bob Dylan will be that he's "that old guy, a pious pitchman for cars. What else has he done?"

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Felt the same way when I saw it.






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Greg S wrote:
When it comes to money, everybody has a number.

You think Springsteen would have done it?


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I see some have considered it some of the worst super bowl commercials. I kind of liked it, but before the end, was wondering if it was for the UAW and not a specific car company. Kind of funny that Fiat owns Chrysler. I see nothing wrong with the fact that Dylan is pitching something commercial. I dont see why folks get upset about that, but its a free country. I thought the message was good. I would like to see Detroit (the city) come back. It has great infrastructure. I back unions and the UAW has shown that it can make concessions.

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I'm looking at it purely from an artistic point of view, Dan, which, for my money, is the only one that counts. Call me naive, but I like to think that everyone does NOT have their price. I like to think that someone of Dylan's or Springsteen's level of success -- and integrity -- have granted them the privilege of not having to sell soap (or whatever), and that their name and voice have value outside of $$, and are reserved for their creative work alone, and that maybe they won't allow their artistic persona to be mixed up in the crass business of selling a product that has nothing to do with their music.

What's next, a naked Bob Dylan in the shower singing "Tangled Up in Blue" for Selsun Blue dandruff shampoo?


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Who really cares when you really think about it . It's all big business. I must admit none of the commercials really grabbed my attention. I was too dismayed seeing how badly Denver played. I sat on my couch drinking beer and eating chips, my dog slept bored by it all waiting for something exciting to happen.
The Superbowl was a nice diversion from all the problems of the world. Really sadden by the untimely death of Philip Seymore Hoffman.
What a shame and waste. A true loose in the world of entertainment.
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The first commercial he did was for Victoria's Secret in 2004. The ideals of the 60's are over. It's time for some of us to get over the fact that the musicians of our youth have to make money at any cost. It bugged me at first but, it's no big deal. And, there was a message there (in the Chrysler ad).

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andy wrote:
Who really cares when you really think about it

Well, I do. That's sort of why I posted it, innit.


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Stan wrote:
The first commercial he did was for Victoria's Secret in 2004. The ideals of the 60's are over. It's time for some of us to get over the fact that the musicians of our youth have to make money at any cost. It bugged me at first but, it's no big deal. And, there was a message there (in the Chrysler ad).

Shit, you're right. This one is at least funny, though. Dylan exchanges dirty looks with a woman thirty years younger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBq7SyGtG8Y

I disagree with you, though Stan. It has nothing to do with the 60s or nostalgia, or any of that rot. It's about an artist doing something 180 degrees from what he was all about. It's just very disillusioning to see this 72 year-old icon, making music for fifty years, sell cars. A simple Google search tells me he already has a personal wealth of $150 million +!


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"Integrity is a concept of consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations, and outcomes."

It's not about musicians, actors, athletes, etc. doing commercials and making money.
It's about,"consistency of actions, values, methods, measures,
principles, expectations, and outcomes"

I didn't know Dylan did prior commercials, but this one
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I've heard it said that his song "Idiot Wind" was in some way a reference to television:

"Idiot Wind"

Someone's got it in for me, they're planting stories in the press
Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out quick but when they will I can only guess
They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy
She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me
I can't help it if I'm lucky.

People see me all the time and they just can't remember how to act
Their minds are filled with big ideas, images and distorted facts
Even you yesterday you had to ask me where it was at
I couldn't believe after all these years you didn't know even me better than that
Sweet lady.

Idiot wind blowing every time your move your mouth
Blowing down the backroads heading south
Idiot wind blowing every time you move your teeth
You're an idiot babe
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe

I ran into the fortune-teller who said beware of lightning that might strike
I haven't known peace and quit for so long I can't remember what it's like
There's a lone soldier on the cross smoke pouring out of a boxcar door
You didn't know it you didn't think it could be done in the final end he won the wars
After losing every battle.

I woke up on the roadside daydreaming about the way things sometimes are
Visions of your chestnut mare shoot through my head and are making me see stars
You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies
One day you'll be in the ditch, flies buzzing around your eyes
Blood on your saddle.

Idiot wind blowing through the flowers on your tomb
Blowing through the curtains in your room
Idiot wind blowing every time you move your teeth
You're an idiot babe
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

It was gravity which pulled us down and destiny which broke us apart
You tamed the lion in my cage but it just wasn't enough to change my heart
Now everything's a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped
What's good is bad what's bad is good you'll find out when you reach the top
You're on the bottom.I noticed at the ceremony, your corrupt ways had finally made you blind
I can't remember your face anymore, your mouth has changed your eyes don't look
into mine

The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone faced while the
building burned
I waited for you on the running boards, near the cypress trees while the
springtime turned
Slowly into autumn.

Idiot wind blowing like a circle around my skull
From the Grand Coulee Dam to Capitol
Idiot wind blowing every time you move your teeth
You're an idiot babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

I can't feel you anymore, I can't even touch the books you've read
Every time I crawl past your door, I been wishing I was somebody else instead
Down the highway down the tracks down the road to ecstasy
I followed you beneath the stars hounded by your memory
And all you raging glory.

I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now I'm finally free
I kissed goodbye the howling beast on the borderline which separated you from me
You'll never know the hurt I suffered not the pain I raise above
And I'll never know the same about you your holiness or your kind of love
And it makes me feel so sorry.

Idiot wind blowing through the buttons of our coats
Blowing through the letters that we wrote
Idiot wind blowing through the dust upon our shelves
We're idiots babe
It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves.


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There was something Dylan said about people interpreting his songs or making some kind of determination of what he meant when he wrote any particular song - "How can anybody know what I'm writing about? It's my song and they don't even know me."
So true. I laugh when I stand next to someone in an art gallery telling someone that this painting means this or that. How the hell would you know? You didn't paint it.
A song may have a meaning to you. But that's as far as it goes.



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Agreed, Stan. And it's a long,long way from writing a song like that to selling cars!


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Hey, people change over time. I used to have Hippie ideals in the late 60's and 70's. Not so much, now.


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Stan wrote:
There was something Dylan said about people interpreting his songs or making some kind of determination of what he meant when he wrote any particular song - "How can anybody know what I'm writing about? It's my song and they don't even know me."
So true. I laugh when I stand next to someone in an art gallery telling someone that this painting means this or that. How the hell would you know? You didn't paint it.
A song may have a meaning to you. But that's as far as it goes.


I once took a photography workshop and the instructor mentioned that how people interpret art, tells you more about them then the artist. As a psychoanalyst, I can tell you that the same is true of interpreting dreams. How someone interprets some one elses dream tells you more about the interpreter than the dreamer.

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So when I interpreted your art, you were in my mind! ;)

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