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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:11 pm 
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Some of the best advice I ever got about riding was when I was 11 years old.

If riding a scooter is something you really want to do, start shopping for a really good full face helmet. To this day, I think it's the best place for new person to start.

It got me thinking that it would be nice to have a thread where the experienced among us could post their single most important advice to someone thinking about buying a scooter or just starting out with one.

As for me, I wish I had been told:

1. That the best and most experienced scooter riders I'd meet were going to be the most (rather than least) evangelical about safety and the value of wearing the right gear and taking the MSF Basic Rider course;
2. That an investment in stainless steel crash-bars would end up paying dividends many times;
3. To assume I was invisible to other vehicles and pedestrians at all times; and use my horn liberally to announce my presence; and
4. No matter what you think will happen, you will probably go down at some point; and you will be much happier if you are wearing (at a miniumum) good gloves, shoes and a helmet with face and chin protection (modular or full-face). Corollary: No matter what you think will happen, when you do go down you won't be able to choose what part of your head hits the ground (or worse). It will happen too fast.

Got any other advice for the new rider? I know you do; give it up...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:05 am 
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After buying the scooter itself, there's still quite a few more (expensive) things that a rider must have - full face helmet, riding jacket, proper riding gloves, chain, lock, cover, oil, tools, etc. It all adds up. Don't spend the entire budget on the riding machine itself. The MSF course alone is a couple hundred bucks.

I was pretty focused on buying the scooter, and then realized the process to get my motorcycle license. I am glad I didn't think about it too much, but I definitely didn't realize what a process it was going to be. I had an out of state license and had to deal with that first.

Sometimes jumping in head first and not completely comprehending all that is involved is a good thing. Good friends help along the way.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:22 am 
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It took me three winters of riding around in a half helmet before I finally figured out that a full face helmet might be a good idea.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:25 am 
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It took me three winters of riding around in a half helmet before I finally figured out that a full face helmet might be a good idea.

Brendan


It took about 9 months for me.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:34 am 
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It took 20 minutes for me...

I just cannot comprehend how anyone could ride with an open face when the windchill is below freezing.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:53 am 
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Be careful buying a used scooter from a dealer.

Even if it seems like a great deal there could be something wrong that is not immediately apparent. For example even if a bike has very low miles it could have been stored improperly for a long time leading to costly repairs. Make sure they have some sort of limited warranty period if the bike is out of manufacture warranty. They will not offer up this information if you don't ask. Then in that period ride the shit out of it and see if it's up to snuff and if it's not bring her back and deal directly with the service department, not the person who sold it to you.

Doing a search here you will quickly find out which dealers and repair shops have a good reputations, are interested in participating in the scooter community and also establishing a good relationship with you.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:57 am 
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Hendon wrote:
It took me three winters of riding around in a half helmet before I finally figured out that a full face helmet might be a good idea.

Brendan

Thought it would be good in the heat of the Summer. After less than 4-5 short rides around the neighborhood I went back to my full face helmet. Anyone want to buy it?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:26 am 
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Same here...got an open face just collecting dust.

On the other hand...I can wear it as a spare on my way to buy a new one if I ever had to. So...it does have a use after all.


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Hi everyone,

I don't wish I'd known this when I bought my scooter, because I was lucky. I'm writing this because I think that other new scooterists should know about this.

I had my accident 1 year ago today. (I got hit by an SUV on the FDR Drive). I was fortunate to be wearing good gear, however I still suffered some road rash and a broken left arm (upper bone, humerus).

I've since learned that Progressive Motorcycle Insurance only covers up to $5k in medical expenses. I'm lucky because I also have medical coverage through work. But for *any* of you, ANY of you, who don't, please double-check with your insurance carrier.

It could cost you $5k just to get scooped up and brought to the emergency room. If you have more injuries, the expenses could be so much higher. Check now. Don't wait until you *need* the coverage to discover you don't have it. It might cost you $5 more per year to double that $5k of medical coverage to $10k. I'm not sure, I'm just guessing, but I think it would be worth it.

Just my 2 cents.

For me, after surgery to put my arm/me (aka Humpty) back together, and a year of physical therapy, my arm now has about 95% of its original range of motion. Strength and endurance are an issue, but I'm so very thankful to have had the ability to pay for my recovery and to see it through until it was time to take it on my own. My medical insurance wasn't that great either - GHI only covered 8 P/T visits per year. (Mental note - next time i need P/T, start it in December so I can go 2 straight months before using up my coverage). In the end, I had to pay a great deal out of pocket to cover the costs of physical therapy, but i had to and wanted to. I wanted to do everything I possibly could to fully recover, even if it could put me in debt.

As for my baby, my scooter Boomer, I haven't been near it except to disconnect the battery. I'm ready now to have it towed to Vespa Soho and get any repairs made, but I don't think I'll ride it more than 1 more time before selling it. I want to know that I'm not afraid of riding again. And as much as I love, LOVE riding Boomer, you know the saying "fool me once, fool me twice". My family was extremely supportive during the experience, but I won't risk putting them through that again, or having to go through it again alone if they didn't (which I don't think either would happen, but again, don't want to risk it).

Again, I hope you're all doing well. Anyone know how much I should charge for my 2002 ET4? :)

take care, christine :D

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:38 pm 
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Don't stop riding, Christine. I shattered my tibia and now own more bikes than I used to. Don't even ask Alan to tell his leg story again. Please, Alan - not again.

I'm not sure how the accident went down, but think of it this way...you're way less likely to get into another one.

I really love riding. I love the social aspects. I'm really happy that I've met so many cool people. Don't let one accident stop you from riding again.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:46 pm 
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My small bit of advice is the take the MSF Course first before you buy anything, whether it be a scooter or motorcyle. You may find that after you've taken the course that scooters aren't for you or vice versa.

I ended up getting a scooter when I realized that riding a motorcyle in NYC was a little more risk than I was willing to take. Of course everyone's risk tolerance varies, but, the MSF Course was great it helping me to determine what mine was. I'd be pretty bummed had I purchased a motorcycle first only to find out later that wasn't what I thought I wanted.

Hope this helps,
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:24 pm 
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mangajunky wrote:
Don't stop riding, Christine. ...
I'm not sure how the accident went down, but think of it this way...you're way less likely to get into another one.

I really love riding. I love the social aspects. I'm really happy that I've met so many cool people. Don't let one accident stop you from riding again.


+1 :)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:45 pm 
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Don't ask your spouse's permission to buy a Scooter.
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Just Buy it, bring it home & say go out front & check out what WE just got.

& then show your spouse their new match'n helmet :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:22 pm 
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mangajunky wrote:
I really love riding. I love the social aspects. I'm really happy that I've met so many cool people.



Next time anyone bumps into Franky, give the boy a hug.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:17 pm 
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I've been riding assorted two wheeled bikes since I was 8 years old and never owned a full face helmet until about 3 weeks ago. * Claustrophobia... was my excuse. After hearing everyone advocate for them I found one that fit finally (VERY important) and now I feel very exposed in my half helmet. I took a passenger today and gave him the full face, while I wore the half one and now I see the difference. Strongly encourage the protection.

My next smart purchase is going to be a VERY LOUD HORN.

happy and safe riding,
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:27 pm 
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maybe you would like on of these. i have a stebel nautilus.

http://tinyurl.com/yrz6qh

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121988

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:47 pm 
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Brouhaha wrote:
It got me thinking that it would be nice to have a thread where the experienced among us could post their single most important advice to someone thinking about buying a scooter or just starting out with one.

Great thread, Jonathan. My advice to the new scooterists’ :arrow:

















PAY ATTENTION!!! :P

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:51 pm 
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ZygoteLittle wrote:
PAY ATTENTION!!! :P


To what?
Alan

Wet card board?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:43 pm 
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ZygoteLittle wrote:
PAY ATTENTION!!! :P


To what?
Alan

Wet card board?


:oops: I don’t know? It just felt appropriate to say.

Well - maybe I should have written that they ought to learn how to use their brakes properly by going to a large empty parking lot and practicing their panic stops and avoidance maneuvers.

How was that?! :P

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