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Well, here it is according to an eyewitness account by Rob S.:
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This is a point-by-point description of a motorcycle licensing road test for the New York State DMV I witnessed on 5/4/05 in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn. I was the driver of the chase vehicle. The testee was an experienced but yet-unlicensed motorcycle rider (riding from 1986, on!) and former scooter owner. The test commenced in the block of Henry Street just north of Bay Street with two-way traffic but with no painted lines dividing the middle of the street.

Requirements: The DMV requires the testee to show up with a motorcycle, a (four-wheeled?) chase vehicle, and a companion. The bike must be road-legal in all respects, insured, registered, plated, and inspected. Our particular chase vehicle was not examined closely at all but it would be wise if it, too, met all legal conditions for operation. The companion must be a licensed driver WITH A MOTORCYCLE ENDORSEMENT on his license. This is because, as a premit-holder, the testee may not operate a bike without a licensed motorcyclist supervising him.

No, you may not solicit the use of a chase vehicle from someone at the test site. I saw an un-prepared testee try this and get shot down by the evaluator.

The evaluator told me they are required to show up for scheduled testing no matter what the weather. Many times, though, for whatever reason, testees do not keep their appointments.

The DMV asks you to come with a leather or armoured jacket, over-the-ankle boots, and gloves. These suggestions are not a requirement but, then, you don't want to make a bad impression on the evaluator.

The test: The test is pass-fail. If you fail some points, you get marks against you, whilst, if you make other types of mistakes, you fail automatically.

The testee is briefed on the test and told to perform

a) three right-hand circles in the roadway, followed by

b) three left-hand circles in the roadway, followed by

c) three figure-eights in the roadway

and then to pull to the curb.

The ENTIRE roadway is available to perform these manoeuvres -- ALL of it, both directions of travel lanes and both parking shoulders. If the testee touches his foot to the ground, he fails the examination and will need to schedule a re-test. (He would be wise to signal as he pulls away from the curb and as he turns, though my guy didn't do this.)

The testee is advised that he must deal appropriately with any passing traffic whilst performing these manoeuvres. This likely means yielding to passing vehicles and holding motion, whilst not putting down his foot, of course. Not many vehicles went by during the test I witnessed, though some did.

After completing the turns, the testee is instructed to proceed through the area obeying directions from the horn of the chase vehicle. The evaluator gets aboard the chase vehicle and the companion drives, following the testee.

One blast of the horn means to turn right, two blasts left, and three blasts to pull over to the curb and stop. He is not required to wait for the chase vehicle. It is the responsibility of the chase driver to keep up with him.

The evaluation trip takes about 10 minutes and traverses well-used (but not terribly busy) local streets in the area. There are several angled, dog-leg, and other types of intersections along the route. Several traffic lights and MANY stop signs are present along the route, including some in mid-block. The testee should stop the bike fully BEFORE the stop line at each sign, with both feet on the ground to indicate just how stopped he truly is, then proceed cautiously forward, checking in all directions to ensure the way is clear. He should move forward and stop again, if necessary, to evaluate the situation but he MUST stop initially BEHIND the line at each sign.

If he does not have a clear path to exit an intersection controlled by a traffic light, he may not enter that intersection.

By law, he must signal, either with hand or electrical signals, (100 feet?) in advance of any change of lane or any turn at an intersection.

He must stay in his lane and, particularly when turning to the left into a side street with an opposing lane, he must not ride across any portion of that opposing lane. (Read: Don't cut your corners; make your left turns wide.)

He must obey the speed limits and other traffic laws, of course.

At the end of the course, the 3-blast 'pull over' command is given and the testee is told of his results. (My guy passed. He got points off for twice failing to signal and for clipping the other guy's lane on a left hand turn.)

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"The testee is advised that he must deal appropriately with any passing traffic whilst performing these manoeuvres. This likely means yielding to passing vehicles and holding motion, whilst not putting down his foot, of course. Not many vehicles went by during the test I witnessed, though some did."


How do you stop in a holding motion without putting your foot down?


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How do you stop in a holding motion without putting your foot down?


Holding motion does not necessarily mean stopping.

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the cant put your foot down thing is only while doing the circles and figure 8s. and if a car is coming u can stop and put your foot down. and the rest of the test u can put yout foot down at stop signs and lights

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:08 am 
Got my test July 7! Was practicing my crazy 8s and circles around midnight last night near a park in Greenpoint, until a cop car stopped nearby to just marvel at my expertise; there was a security camera there too so I can't wait to see if I have an audience the next time I go there.


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Hi all. My test is tomorrow, and I had some last minute questions I needed help with.

Let's say while you are doing your circles and/or 8's, there is a car approaching. Do you adjust your "circle" to become a wide oval, or do you try and balance your scooter at a snails place (risky) until the car passes?

Also, while practicing in the Red Hook area, I noticed there are some intersections that had both traffic lights as well as faded white "stop" signs painted on the ground. Not sure if they're were replaced w/ the lights since they seemed faded, but still legible, but how should one proceed if you have the green? Stop anyway? Kind of confusing.


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The testee is advised that he must deal appropriately with any passing traffic whilst performing these manoeuvres. This likely means yielding to passing vehicles and holding motion, whilst not putting down his foot, of course. Not many vehicles went by during the test I witnessed, though some did.

* * *

The evaluation trip takes about 10 minutes and traverses well-used (but not terribly busy) local streets in the area. There are several angled, dog-leg, and other types of intersections along the route. Several traffic lights and MANY stop signs are present along the route, including some in mid-block. The testee should stop the bike fully BEFORE the stop line at each sign, with both feet on the ground to indicate just how stopped he truly is, then proceed cautiously forward, checking in all directions to ensure the way is clear. He should move forward and stop again, if necessary, to evaluate the situation but he MUST stop initially BEHIND the line at each sign.

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jasterm wrote:
Let's say while you are doing your circles and/or 8's, there is a car approaching. Do you adjust your "circle" to become a wide oval, or do you try and balance your scooter at a snails place (risky) until the car passes?


I do not know the definitive answer to your question. I would suggest that no matter what you find out here, ask the tester before the tests begins to double confirm and this essentially holds the tester accountable for whatever answer they give you.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

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Well, lets see what the FAQ has to say about that...! :-)

FAQ: What is the NYC DMV Motorcycle Licensing Road Test like?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=620

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The testee is advised that he must deal appropriately with any passing traffic whilst performing these manoeuvres. This likely means yielding to passing vehicles and holding motion, whilst not putting down his foot, of course. Not many vehicles went by during the test I witnessed, though some did.



Weird. My driving school guy told me I could put my foot down if a car came while I was doing the figure 8's and circles, which seems directly opposed to that. Thankfully I didn't have to worry about it. But yeah, you might as well ask the tester what the rule is.


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It's easy. You see a car, pedestrian, bicyclist coming, you pull off to the side of the road, stop and yes... Put your foot down until they pass then pick up from where you left off.


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I was in Red Hook this morning escorting a friend who was taking the road test. He drives a motorcycle but since I was the licensed escort he used my scooter for the test. There were four bikes taking the test during the time we were there. Two passed including my friend. Both on scooters.
I watched closely, Allison is correct, ask the instructor the "what if's" and have him repeat his answer twice. His answer today to my friend was "do your exercises regardless of traffic around you, but if a car comes while you are in the street performing your circles and eights, you may stop until they pass then continue from exactly where you left off". This was consistent with what the instructor at the MSS told him the night before on a well spent hour practice lesson. I didn't see one car come during the four tests taken.

The first test taker failed...but I must say it was mostly lack of knowledge and over confidence of what he may be able to do but "on demand and under pressure" things may not go the way you want. As soon as the foot goes down.... the test is over !! He moved (rode) the bike one block to where the tester said to start WITHOUT WEARING A HELMET and asked me if I knew what was going to be on the test. :roll: I'm sure next time he will approach differently.

My advice is GO WITH KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO DO. If you are on this board you know what that is. Practice before you go, relax, and stay focused during the test. Do not try and wing it because you have been driving for years or whatever. Its simple exercises, learn them. The other part that is important to this tester was the control in the turns while driving in the streets. No wide turns.

Sorry for the long post, but while it takes a long time to get the appointment and people spend time and money getting prepared, the more that treat this in that respect the more will pass.

and for what its worth, I took the test in the Bronx and I thought Red Hook was much easier and the tester was a lot friendlier and that comment is in contrast to others who have posted comparing the two. Its your test, just go PREPARED to pass and you will.


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circles and eights don't have to be done tightly, do what is comfortable to you and keep your head turning observing traffic whilst maneuvering. secondly do not stop in the middle of intersection to make left turn, wait at crosswalk till traffic allows you to proceed. just relax and take your time. no rushing..good luck,, 8) ;) :geek:

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On my test when I did my circle, the instructor yelled from far away: "That is not a circle, that is an oval!"
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That was before I got lost returning to where the test began. :oops:
I still passed.

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Does anyone know on what street you perform the circles and eights? I know the DMV says to arrive on Bay Street, between Hicks and Henry, but that is a fairly busy, two-lane road. Is this the street where the maneuvers are performed?


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Any time I've ever been there, they did the circles and eights on Henry, between Bay and Lorraine. It's not a particularly busy street, although there is some traffic.

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Thats good to hear; I have my test next week and was a little nervous about Bay Street...


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PASS! Wow. What a feeling. I rode by a cop this morning and actually waved.

So I can confirm that the tester told me if in the process of doing the circles and 8's and a car rolls by, you can stop and place your foot on the ground without penalty. You pick up from where you left off. One thing that was not clarified to me however, was that in the process of doing your circles and 8's, the maneuvers are to be done continuously. For some reason, I read some of the posts as; do three circles, pull over to the curb and stop. do another three circles, pull over to the curb and stop. Do your 8's. This however, is not the case. Not a big deal, but for clarification purposes, these maneuvers are to be done one after another w/out stopping.

While I was doing my 8's, a car actually turned onto the street. I saw it coming and just held motion w/out putting my foot down. (Didn't want to take any chances). The road test portion was fine. I was careful not to cut my left turns, so made my turns intentionally wider to make it a point. However, I got docked to the other way a few points for going too wide. I suppose you should be wary of both extremes and make your turns "just right".

Also, the MSS instructor that I hired to be my chase car for the exam mentioned that speeds should be kept around 20 mph for the test. I thought that was great information to know. At one point in the road test, I caught a yellow light that was so perfectly timed it made me hesitate. I made the nervous decision to abruptly stop, even though I had already crossed the white line and had to back peddle a bit. I figured it would be safer than accelerating across the intersection to "beat the light". When I asked the instructor about it after recieving my temp license, he said I did fine.

Side note: When I rolled up on my GTV, there was a guy riding an old model Ninja who scoffed at me stating that I was "cheating". Didn't know how to respond, other than "uhhhh... Okay." Once I passed and was given my temp, I saw him trying to practice the maneuvers and had to laugh. I didn't stick around to watch him take the exam, but I can already tell you, his day is pretty much ruined, and he's probably either A) trying to reschedule for late August, or B) will continue to ride illegally until getting popped.

TREMENDOUS THANKS to all who helped me out! I coudln't have done it w/out you!


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congrats!! you're finally legal.. ;) :D :geek:

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PASS! Wow. What a feeling. I rode by a cop this morning and actually waved.

So I can confirm that the tester told me if in the process of doing the circles and 8's and a car rolls by, you can stop and place your foot on the ground without penalty. You pick up from where you left off. One thing that was not clarified to me however, was that in the process of doing your circles and 8's, the maneuvers are to be done continuously. For some reason, I read some of the posts as; do three circles, pull over to the curb and stop. do another three circles, pull over to the curb and stop. Do your 8's. This however, is not the case. Not a big deal, but for clarification purposes, these maneuvers are to be done one after another w/out stopping.

While I was doing my 8's, a car actually turned onto the street. I saw it coming and just held motion w/out putting my foot down. (Didn't want to take any chances). The road test portion was fine. I was careful not to cut my left turns, so made my turns intentionally wider to make it a point. However, I got docked to the other way a few points for going too wide. I suppose you should be wary of both extremes and make your turns "just right".

Also, the MSS instructor that I hired to be my chase car for the exam mentioned that speeds should be kept around 20 mph for the test. I thought that was great information to know. At one point in the road test, I caught a yellow light that was so perfectly timed it made me hesitate. I made the nervous decision to abruptly stop, even though I had already crossed the white line and had to back peddle a bit. I figured it would be safer than accelerating across the intersection to "beat the light". When I asked the instructor about it after recieving my temp license, he said I did fine.

Side note: When I rolled up on my GTV, there was a guy riding an old model Ninja who scoffed at me stating that I was "cheating". Didn't know how to respond, other than "uhhhh... Okay." Once I passed and was given my temp, I saw him trying to practice the maneuvers and had to laugh. I didn't stick around to watch him take the exam, but I can already tell you, his day is pretty much ruined, and he's probably either A) trying to reschedule for late August, or B) will continue to ride illegally until getting popped.

TREMENDOUS THANKS to all who helped me out! I coudln't have done it w/out you!


Congrats on passing—I hope to join your ranks soon. Quick question: what street did you perform your circles and eights on? Thanks!!


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The circles & 8's were done on Henry St., right in between the pool and the baseball field. It should be noted, there were cars parked on both sides where we met, so the tester moved us down towards the Bay St. intersection where we were allowed to use the entire two lanes. It made for more room, but it also gives you a bit more to look out for with cars turning onto Henry.


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